Port Injection Fuel Pressure Regulators

Pin outs, sensor calibrations etc
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Port Injection Fuel Pressure Regulators

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PAGE LINK > http://www.riceracing.com.au/Fuel_Press ... lators.htm
Puts all vids and a little back ground for people who want all info in one location


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKaay7vy79k&t=321s



^ Here is a small video I made showing analysis of a FPR and how we go about it, and some stuff on specifying other fuel system components.

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Re: Port Injection Fuel Pressure Regulators

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Here is the final solution https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnk8kmJAyjM



Fixing the non existent 'rising rate' on boost side (as delivered out of box) to what I needed it to be.
Just need to update fp trip to a table (same as on lambda) to fully implement this new regulator properly. NOTE: same needs to be done for cars fitted with mechanical fuel pumps as they have a rising rate as well ;)
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Part 3 of the mini series that has become my life on fuking fuel pressure regulators is up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ8mKYCzb0c

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Re: Port Injection Fuel Pressure Regulators

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Are you testing static, or are you testing whilst also having a leak from the regulator ? ie, the engine's fuel consumption from low to high ?
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This is full 'leak' or bypass.

For these types of regulators with the listed pump as an example, it can run as low as 750mB
However as I found out today With a shit adjuster bolt design/material though this is 1000+mB !
Also this rig simulates a twin pump system, running at 50% pump capacity which bypasses one whole pumps flow (at a specific engine calibration setting), so its easy to then run just one pump at idle where IDC is 2% or so, gives an idea of both ends of spectrum for by pass flow handling. No need to run injectors as simply looking at regulator itself and its reaction to map... It will suffice the above operating points (idle and 50%) above that will test on vehicle for higher flow demands (lower fuel by-pass in reg).

Not sure if that answers your question? but its more so to test rates (as in my case developing rising rate regulator) but also to check other conventional 1:1 regs where asked to see response, stability/smoothness, repeatability. The variable rate part is tricky, no hope of knowing it unless genius or have a sheet like I developed to look at various permutations/set up options, then do a histogram for example in one of the worksheets to see where different case examples spend percentage of life in. With this the merits of variable rate when run with right pumps matched to a full system becomes obvious.

Not your question but I thought would explain the second part, as said see it allot on mechanical fuel pump cars which do this as they over power even high capacity 1:1 type regulators giving a quasi rising rate effect/benefit.... which ironically are seen around the 1.3:1 area at 52psi boost.
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Re: Port Injection Fuel Pressure Regulators

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Maybe wording getting mixed up.

In the picture it shows a reg, with a feed and return back to tank, It is full bypass.....but there is no actual draw off into an engine which will undoubtedly alter the regs behaviour as some flow goes out that way, but not back the return.
It is that draw off I refer to as a leak. Not the fact it all flows into the reg and out the return.

So the test above ( if I am seeing it correctly ) would be on a low load scenario ? with minimal draw into the engine. If the engine was consuming say 300l/m so far far less was going back to the tank, will reg still remain consistent ? As the regulation part is dealing with a much lower volume of flow out the return, vs low load.

Never really liked the Sytec regs though. I've never particularly tested them, but always thought they looked cheap, and the port sizes just seemed small etc.
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Good points, yes it simulates up to near zero to 50% demand cause actual system has two pumps.
Agreed Sytec are gay. But you can massage a turd as I have found out :roll:
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As delivered in red (below 1:1 rate), V mild clean up of disk once I understood the problem of why it did not work as claimed.
below 1:1 rate at ~2700mB map
below 1:1 rate at ~2700mB map
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stevieturbo wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:54 pm
So the test above ( if I am seeing it correctly ) would be on a low load scenario ? with minimal draw into the engine. If the engine was consuming say 300l/m so far far less was going back to the tank, will reg still remain consistent ? As the regulation part is dealing with a much lower volume of flow out the return, vs low load.
You can drive the Q (flow rate) down allot by voltage and or pressure head, have had it down to ~100l/hr estimated which in my case is full load on other parts (twin pumps) which is a way to infer how it behaves on a much lower bypass rate. Eventually I will get around to making an ad on that will allow hook up of an injector, pulsed (already have parts to do it tested and works) but also put pressure against the discharge so you can view what happens :shock: its all time though, so many jobs :roll: The beauty of this part is you can see a curve without interference of shocks of injector opening and closing for example which let me see what a clean 'curve' looks like and it was really easy to identify a problem of a badly designed adjustment bolt, which you would never have been able to see with other parts in system. Did have me confused for a little bit on that one ! but its amazing to see interactions of bad v good, just simple stuff like kinematics have end effects that most don't think about, in this case the manufacturer never considered let alone checked.
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Re: Port Injection Fuel Pressure Regulators

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These are pictures for those who don't like video (everyone is different).
Amazing to see that a 'bolt' can have this much effect !
I changed the material and profile specifications of the nipple on end, its all these little details and ability to test effects that add up.
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