Bosch 2-wire TBV settings

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Bosch 2-wire TBV settings

Post by tpepmeie » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:41 pm

I'm running the 2-wire Bosch throttle bypass valve (0 280 140 516) with my S8/F88 ECU. The example calibration comes with some default settings (in parentheses), I'd like to know what you all use for:

PWM Drive frequency: (20Hz)
Minimum Duty: (10%)
Maximum Duty: (90%)

Unfortunately engine is not complete yet, so I can't just experiment.
Cheers,
Todd

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Re: Bosch 2-wire TBV settings

Post by Trickster » Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:51 pm

I use 3 wire bosch valves, but I'm sure the frequency will be the same, 300hz works well

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Re: Bosch 2-wire TBV settings

Post by pavlo » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:16 pm

I used 300hz on a 2wire valve, it absolutely needs a flyback diode to work properly. My PWM output looks like this:
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Re: Bosch 2-wire TBV settings

Post by tpepmeie » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:11 am

pavlo wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:16 pm
I used 300hz on a 2wire valve, it absolutely needs a flyback diode to work properly. My PWM output looks like this:

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Can you say more about the diode? Why does it need that to work? Thanks.

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Re: Bosch 2-wire TBV settings

Post by Slowie » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:11 pm

Basically the diode allows you a greater range of usable duty cycle, by allowing the valve to close a bit quicker.

More technical explanations on this (as well as how to wire up the diode) are on this forum and others, but it boils down to the above.

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Re: Bosch 2-wire TBV settings

Post by pavlo » Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:02 pm

Because an idle valve is a proportional device.

The diode stops the back EMF, (I think) the back EMF from the collapse the magnetic field will effect the field being reestablished during the next pulse, so you're average field strength is reduced. What we want is a more of an averaged constant current and therefore steady field of a required strength.

For a solenoid it doesn't matter because your back EMF occurs after the solenoid has moved and you don't care about the effect on the magnetic field between pulses.

Poor explanation but for proportional devices (ISCV, Electromagnets, Oil control valves etc) you want a diode and for solenoids that move from one state to another (injectors, boost solenoids, ignition coils) you don't want a diode. I would also use a diode for very big heafty coils like strong actuators, nitrous solenoids etc, because the back emf is just so big and risks damage.

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Re: Bosch 2-wire TBV settings

Post by CT9A » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:15 pm

Are there no diodes built in, in some outputs?

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Re: Bosch 2-wire TBV settings

Post by TimH » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:08 am

CT9A wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:15 pm
Are there no diodes built in, in some outputs?
Not on S6GP/S8/F88. There are diodes, as well as pullups to 5V or 12V, on some S6I/S6+/S7/S7+ outputs.

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Re: Bosch 2-wire TBV settings

Post by Trickster » Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:08 am

I never noticed this thread had carried on, however I find it interesting about installing diodes on the idle valves if it makes them perform better.

I use 3 wire valves, so would I use 2 diodes in reverse bias from the 12v feed to each of the pwm controls from the ecu?

I have 2 valves in parralel to give me good anti lag, they work really well, but I'd rather reduce flyback if it could potentially be risky and also get better control

Graeme
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